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Old 02-08-2011, 03:44
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I always have a problem with white dots on any color like red with white dots the dots end up pink. So I just dont even attempt those anymore.
I get dowels for red and black ribbon so it doesnt bleed on my light colors.
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:20
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we dont use starch. Sorry they got ruined
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:22
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There have been several discussions on this but it's been a while- I know it was advised to bake longer at a lesser temp but let me see if I can find specifics!
Thanks davang ~ I appreciate the help

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I noticed that when I do korkers, the ribbon tends to bleed onto the dowel. Then when you use it again with a lighter color ribbon it will transfer the dye on to it. The best solution is that you use a dowel only for that specific color. Sorry you had to go thrugh that. Hope it helps.
These were new dowels so it wasn't a bleeding problem. But I'm glad you made me aware that it can happen ~ thanks Betty!

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I spray my finished bows with starch from a can but I don't bake them. The one and only time I korked ribbon I waited until it was out of the oven then sprayed it while it was still on the dowel.
I had created a thread here a little while ago and that's where I learned to spray before baking. I think what I'm going to have to do is just not use starch(?) Maybe I should bake and then spray with stiffener?
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:29
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I don't spray before baking. I spray after the korkers are completely made

And when the ribbon is dotted, put a piece of foil over the pan to keep the direct heat off the ink.

Oh, and turn the heat down to 255 for 35-40 minutes for the dots
Thank you! I am using a foil disposable pan but maybe I need to change the head and time.

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I don't spray at all with anything before baking at 250 for 25 min. I have a gas oven. (I don't know that that matters). If I starch, it's after I sew the korker and I spray it with aerosol spray starch. Sounds like maybe your oven runs hot and is burning your printed ribbon (prints are a little more finicky).

Try a little cooler?
I had a thread where I asked about starching korkers. That's where I got the idea to spray before baking I always stiffen my korkers after they're made, but I thought starching the ribbon was important too(?)

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Maybe not! I found one discussion in which several said it still didn't help but I found this suggestion I'd never heard before:

"I spray my dot korkers with 50/50 mix of water and white vinegar. I just spritz it on, they don't have to be soaked. I bake them the same as my reg. korkers. I have never had a problem with the dots discoloring. I read this tip somewhere years ago when I started making bows and it really works.

Julie"
Well now, *that's* interesting! Thanks for sharing davang
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I use the foil pan too, but I mean lay a piece of foil on top.
I've had this help with some ribbons bleeding


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Thank you! I am using a foil disposable pan but maybe I need to change the head and time.



I had a thread where I asked about starching korkers. That's where I got the idea to spray before baking I always stiffen my korkers after they're made, but I thought starching the ribbon was important too(?)



Well now, *that's* interesting! Thanks for sharing davang
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:40
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I find that occasionally some ribbons just don't like to be wet--I make lots of korkers and I always cook them dry--275 for 25 min then I take them out of the oven--turn the oven off, spray them well with starch from a can and pop them back in the oven for 5 min--since they are hot the starch doesn't really have a chance to get really wet and make the colors run. Also, I use specific sticks for white and light ribbon, some for red and some for dark colors to keep colors from transferring.
I never really had a problem when I baked them dry. But these last 2 times (water mist + starch solution) were complete messes.

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I did some last night. There was a thread on here from someone who has beautiful korkers. She sprays them with starch from a can. Makes them wet. Then puts them in the oven at 275 for 20 mins. I did it exactly as she said and they came out great. I do put them in a big pan that is lined with foil. I actually put mine in for 30 mins. I did them at 350 also and no problems.
Sounds like info from Keri (she has fabulous korkers). I haven't tried her method yet... but I'm hesitant to ruin another batch of korkers.

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I spray mine, bake at 215 for about twenty minutes and don't have a problem. However, some ribbons just fade, I'm thinking this is the case, and that you didn't do anything wrong. I will never use UB ribbon again, it stained all my dowel rods so that I wasn't able to use them on light colored ribbon. So maybe it's just the ribbon, I bought some hearts at Michaels that also did that,
Jeannie
I *wish* I could remember where I got this ribbon from. But you know what? It happened with the last batch as well and I know the ribbon wasn't from the same source. I've never ordered from UB so thanks for the tip!

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Here is the post. Hers are gorgeous. She is very helpful.


http://hipgirlclips.com/forums/hairb...sbowtique.html
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I don't usually put anything on my ribbon at all and I never have trouble with discoloring unless I've done something like red on a dowel and then I try to do a light color on it.

I have korkers that I made well over a year ago and they are still perfectly korked.
Mine are all still perfectly korked too.. and some of them are 25 years old! But you know, I never starched them back then. It's just recently that I'm trying different methods based of what I've read/learned here on hg.

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I haven't had any problems like this. hmmm.... I have had fading on my dowels that will transfer on to my ribbon. So all my reds and dark colors use the same dowels and my pastels and light colors use different ones.
Hey boss, I just don't know what to do anymore

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Thats what I was going to say... I am sorry this happened to you!
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Lower your oven temp. I have this same problem with dots or printed ribbon. I bake mine at 260 for around 20-25 mins for dots and prints.

Also, check your oven temp. Get a meat thermometer and use it to check your oven temp. It may just be hotter than its supposed to be!
Hey girl, thanks for the advice. It might be the oven temp but I think it's probably more the ribbon coming in contact with water or the starch solution.

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sorry to hear this happended!!! i spray them with heavy duty starch and pop them in the oven at 275 degrees...i sometimes forget that they are there (like right now) and i have never had an issue with them UNLESS i put white ribbon on my dowels that i use for red or black ribbon it does bleed through...i dont even use a baking sheet/pan i just throw them in there...the only thing i make sure of is that my reds/blacks dont touch my lighter ribbons even in the oven...try just a small piece of ribbon at different degrees, some ovens are hotter than others OR you can also use a toaster oven at the lowest temp!
These were all black printed ribbons on new dowels The ribbon just doesn't seem colorfast to me.

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I always have a problem with white dots on any color like red with white dots the dots end up pink. So I just dont even attempt those anymore.
I get dowels for red and black ribbon so it doesnt bleed on my light colors.
I'm thinking I'm going to have to give up dots too

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we dont use starch. Sorry they got ruined
Thanks hon. I probably won't be using it again either lol
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:41
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I use the foil pan too, but I mean lay a piece of foil on top.
I've had this help with some ribbons bleeding
Ah, ok.. gotcha! Thank you!
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:57
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It's not your fault.

I have issues with light colored prints (white, etc.) on bright (red) or dark colored (dark green, black, etc.) ribbon. The underlying color will bleed through (i.e. your black bled through the white and pink dots making them gray. Turn down your oven temp. I usually starch and bake bows & korkers at 250 degrees for 25 minutes. If I have prints that fall in the above categories (like yours), I starch and bake at 220 degrees for 20 minutes. That fixes the problem. The prints tend to be some kind of vinyl/paint/I don't know what, but baking it at higher temps can cause the decorative print (dot, etc.) to thin, which lets the underlying color show through.

I had the same thing happen to me with some St. Patrick's Day ribbon. It was dark green with little white shamrocks. Starched & baked at normal temps, the little white shamrocks turned pastel green. Lowered the oven temp, starched and baked again, no problems...
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Old 02-08-2011, 05:09
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I set the oven at 200 for 20 minutes. I do spray with starch before baking. I sew them and then starch again.
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Old 02-08-2011, 05:12
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I do 220 for 15 - 20 minutes. Always comes out perfect, but you have to figure out what's right for your stove. I have a gas stove and that does it for me.
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