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When "sewing" my bows I tend to use an embroidery needle and crochet thread. The layered one can be difficult to get through, but I place the needle in the marks on the ribbon and push the needle through using a hard surface and down force.

I hope that makes some sense. Also, I do not weave my needle in an out to make an accordian fold. I fold by hand using the needle as my center point.
So you just tack it in the middle with your needle & thread? I sew all my bows, so I was totally trying to do what you were saying, use it to create my creases.
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Does each metallic layer need to be fused onto a ribbon and then fused onto the supporting layer.
any tips on cutting the fabric? I am using a rotary cutter.
Hi there,
I originally followed the NBNG's cheer bow tutorial when I first started making bows, but tweaked my method to fit my schedule and needs. However, I have stuck with the NBNG method for sequins, because after some trial and error, there really is no good way to deal with sequin layers. Your bows will be stiff, but in my experience, as well as some others, cheerleaders/cheer coaches want stiff bows. They don't flop, nor get crushed during stunts, tumbling, and jumps. They stand up to cheering, plus as part of the uniform, show off a little bling to the judges and the crowd.
Sequins normally require bonding to a like-colored ribbon because the fabric itself is semi-sheer. If bonded to ribbon, the color is bright and stands out. If sequin fabric is does not have a like-colored ribbon behind it, then the layer looks bad, as if you skipped a step or cut corners when fabricating the bow because you will see less of the sequin color when the lights hit it, or even the pattern of ribbon behind the sequin layer.
I usually measure out exactly how much heat and bond (HnB) lite I will need to complete the full order. (I use lite for sequins because it will already be super stiff, lite is less stiff than ultra. I use ultra for bonding fabric to ribbon) For example: 10 bows=1.5" red sequin x 10 bows=15" of HnB x however long of ribbon I need. Next, I iron that rectangle of HnB lite to the sequin material. I then cut out the new rectangle of red sequin material from the portion of fabric that doesn't have HnB on it. Using my mat and rotary cutter, I cut strips of the fabric. I decided above that I was using the sequin on my smallest layer of a 3" base cheer bow, which would be 1.5". So the strips that I will cut will be equal to 1 1/2" minus 1/8" which is 1 3/8" (one and three eighths inches), and I will cut 10 of these strips. I also cut 10 strips of 1.5" red grosgrain ribbon, if you are wondering about the length, that depends on the base width, and coach's preference, but usually 26 to 28 inches at the most for a front facing cheer bow.
Next, I peel the paper from the bonded sequin strips, then lay the sequin side down onto your ironing board, carefully lay the red ribbon on top of it, put on a dvr'd Greys Anatomy on, and start ironing to bond the sequin to the ribbon, following the HnB directions. If you cut your sequin slightly thinner than your ribbon, you won't see any threads or fraying at the long edges of the ribbon.
I personally use E6000 to then bond the sequin-bonded-ribbon to the bow, it goes much faster and sticks better than HnB, but some bowmakers stick with the HnB all the way through the bow. It's just a preference.
To sew or not to sew is again another personal preference. I used to sew each and every bow with a darning needle and high quality thick upholstery thread. However, as I enter my 40's, my hands are killing me from the sewing. So now, I (like Ann) use my needle simply for a stabilizing point for centering my tails when I accordion-fold the front of the bow. Sometimes, with sequin layers I have to use needle nosed pliers to pull the needle into the layer. Then I hold the front, fold tails with my left, remove the needle, fold the rear-center, squish it in next to the other folds in my left fingers/thumb, grab a small zip tie and a pony-O or elastic strip, and zip it all together loosely. I then make adjustments as needed, and zip it the rest of the way with this clicky-zip tie-er thingy my husband gave me.
Whew! that was wordy, but I hope it was what you were asking for!!
Good luck, if you have any more questions, keep asking 'em here!!
Shelleigh
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I forgot to add, this is just what I do for sequin layers only! There are times I use HnB for fabric, but other times, I use iron-on vinyl, it just depends on where the fabric layer is - first, second, or third layer....I can explain that if you want me to, just ask!

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I can not thank you enough for posting this detailed responce! I have made cheer bows for our local high school 2 years now, but just done a boutique bows. I now have a bigger high school outside of my area wanting this type of cheer bow, which I have never tried before. I've seen them and always figured that the sparkle had to be fabric, just wasn't sure how it all came together. I have till Friday to get one of these made for an example, and your direction below are of MUCH NEEDED help. THANKS!!

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Hi there,
I originally followed the NBNG's cheer bow tutorial when I first started making bows, but tweaked my method to fit my schedule and needs. However, I have stuck with the NBNG method for sequins, because after some trial and error, there really is no good way to deal with sequin layers. Your bows will be stiff, but in my experience, as well as some others, cheerleaders/cheer coaches want stiff bows. They don't flop, nor get crushed during stunts, tumbling, and jumps. They stand up to cheering, plus as part of the uniform, show off a little bling to the judges and the crowd.
Sequins normally require bonding to a like-colored ribbon because the fabric itself is semi-sheer. If bonded to ribbon, the color is bright and stands out. If sequin fabric is does not have a like-colored ribbon behind it, then the layer looks bad, as if you skipped a step or cut corners when fabricating the bow because you will see less of the sequin color when the lights hit it, or even the pattern of ribbon behind the sequin layer.
I usually measure out exactly how much heat and bond (HnB) lite I will need to complete the full order. (I use lite for sequins because it will already be super stiff, lite is less stiff than ultra. I use ultra for bonding fabric to ribbon) For example: 10 bows=1.5" red sequin x 10 bows=15" of HnB x however long of ribbon I need. Next, I iron that rectangle of HnB lite to the sequin material. I then cut out the new rectangle of red sequin material from the portion of fabric that doesn't have HnB on it. Using my mat and rotary cutter, I cut strips of the fabric. I decided above that I was using the sequin on my smallest layer of a 3" base cheer bow, which would be 1.5". So the strips that I will cut will be equal to 1 1/2" minus 1/8" which is 1 3/8" (one and three eighths inches), and I will cut 10 of these strips. I also cut 10 strips of 1.5" red grosgrain ribbon, if you are wondering about the length, that depends on the base width, and coach's preference, but usually 26 to 28 inches at the most for a front facing cheer bow.
Next, I peel the paper from the bonded sequin strips, then lay the sequin side down onto your ironing board, carefully lay the red ribbon on top of it, put on a dvr'd Greys Anatomy on, and start ironing to bond the sequin to the ribbon, following the HnB directions. If you cut your sequin slightly thinner than your ribbon, you won't see any threads or fraying at the long edges of the ribbon.
I personally use E6000 to then bond the sequin-bonded-ribbon to the bow, it goes much faster and sticks better than HnB, but some bowmakers stick with the HnB all the way through the bow. It's just a preference.
To sew or not to sew is again another personal preference. I used to sew each and every bow with a darning needle and high quality thick upholstery thread. However, as I enter my 40's, my hands are killing me from the sewing. So now, I (like Ann) use my needle simply for a stabilizing point for centering my tails when I accordion-fold the front of the bow. Sometimes, with sequin layers I have to use needle nosed pliers to pull the needle into the layer. Then I hold the front, fold tails with my left, remove the needle, fold the rear-center, squish it in next to the other folds in my left fingers/thumb, grab a small zip tie and a pony-O or elastic strip, and zip it all together loosely. I then make adjustments as needed, and zip it the rest of the way with this clicky-zip tie-er thingy my husband gave me.
Whew! that was wordy, but I hope it was what you were asking for!!
Good luck, if you have any more questions, keep asking 'em here!!
Shelleigh
Get your cheer on!

I forgot to add, this is just what I do for sequin layers only! There are times I use HnB for fabric, but other times, I use iron-on vinyl, it just depends on where the fabric layer is - first, second, or third layer....I can explain that if you want me to, just ask!
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No problem!
Gotta learn somewhere, right??
Don't ever be afraid to ask, remember...we were ALL in your shoes at one time!
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ps spandex fabrics are a different story altogether...
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No problem!
Gotta learn somewhere, right??
Don't ever be afraid to ask, remember...we were ALL in your shoes at one time!
Shelleigh

ps spandex fabrics are a different story altogether...
Hi Shelleigh....I do the sequin fabrics the same way as you & I also follow my own slightly modified version of the NBNG cheer bow instructions. 2 quick (or not so quick LOL) questions:
-what are you doing differently for the spandex fabrics. I used the HNB lite for the spandex and am having separation issues of the fabric pulling off the ribbon after a few wears.

-how are you using the vinyl? I have the iron on vinyl, but cannot figure out how you can use it to bond 2 layers of ribbon together.
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-what are you doing differently for the spandex fabrics. I used the HNB lite for the spandex and am having separation issues of the fabric pulling off the ribbon after a few wears.

-how are you using the vinyl? I have the iron on vinyl, but cannot figure out how you can use it to bond 2 layers of ribbon together.
Woodkins:
I've been using a combination of HnB or vinyl n glue for various bows I make. I never use glue on fabric unless the fabric has been bonded to iron on vinyl first. It seems like a lot of steps, but it's not really, and the E6000 + vinyl combination for any fabrics I use has never come apart, even with a season's worth of wearing. (Side note: the whole reason I got started with making cheer bows: My daughter has two bows from a large bow company who's initials may or may not be PB that you can clearly see the glue underneath the white seqiun, red mystique, and silver mystique fabrics. Not all were dark, see through glue lines, but more like you could see lumpy, squiggly lines of the glue under the fabric. Especially since the mystique catches the light and reflects it, you could really see the lines under the gym lites.)
If the mystique is the first layer, then I use HB Ultra to bond the fabric to the base ribbon (ironed on the front and back sides, about 15 sec a side - use a cloth between iron n fabric when ironing the top side). If spandex is the next layer, then I bond my fabric to the vinyl, then cut to the width (or wave) I need, then glue the fabric/vinyl piece to the base layer, be it fabric or ribbon. This not only gives the fabric a little body, but it has a solid base so it won't stretch during the gluing process or allow the glue to show through.

Sequins always get HnB lite to the same-color ribbon, then glued onto the next layer, if any. Plain GG gets HnB ultra, for the most part. i usually try to limit sequin layers to HnB lite, but I tried that once with a zebra ribbon with icky results, so you never know....
Hope this answers your questions!
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I bond my fabric or sequin material with spray adhesive. I'm using Elmer's Extra Strength Spray Adhesive right now. It is a little sticky when you are making them, but the bond is permanent. I've been making cheer bows for around nine years now, and I've found that this is the best method for making a permanent bond. I also use thin wire in the center to secure my creases and put my layers together. It's fast and secure and when you add your knot and hair tie, all of the metal (including on the hair tie) is completely covered. I'm kind of a stickler about that, my dd has been cheerleading for 9 years now and is currently doing a mini camp for tryouts this week (it's for her freshman year in HS). About 75% of the girls trying out are wearing my bows.

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