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Old 08-11-2008, 11:18
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Default Re: OK, I'm just not getting this!!

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If you mean me then re read - the questions were asked and I merely answered.

I couldn't care less what a bow looks like - I am only concerned at mine but that being said - how can I make great bows so I can do a great show.....if you don't know how to - simply you are not ready for a show.



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Amen sister!! That's exactly why I having done any shows yet! You just can't expect to learn everything you need to know about making quality bows in such a short period of time.
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:29
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By saying something along the lines of "because of people like you" can be seen as threatening. This opinion may be held by many people on here, and that's fine. I'm by no means an expert bow maker, but what exactly makes a person an expert at anything? Most of everything I've read on here has been positive and helpful and I don't feel like you shouldn't be able to voice your opinions. But Geez, there's a right and wrong way to voice your obvious frustration. Way to show people what kind of reactions they are going to get for asking a question. I must say, that I, too, would never commit to something that you don't know a lot about. Your comment was harsh - bottom line. You can write all day that you were only writing what others didn't have the guts to say. That tells me that you knew it was rude! If I ask a question on here I expect constructive criticism and nothing less, but not answers like that thankyou!

THANK YOU to all the people on here that provide positive advice and encouragement to those of us who may not be an "expert", but just want to learn your craft. All of us "newbies" appreciate you. I think that in a setting like maybe comments that are negative should be privately messaged so they aren't possibly "misinterpreted" by others.
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:38
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Default Re: OK, I'm just not getting this!!

I think some ppl (myself included) were all little taken back by someone feeling that they could master something in a month that we have been pouring our heart and soul into for so long.

I think maybe if a pic was posted that said ok where am I going wrong it would have been more welcomed but...
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Old 08-12-2008, 12:04
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Just a newbie bowmaker trying to better my craft. My ways of talking to people are obviously different than yours, which is fine. Channel changed - and no You Tube video necessary. LOL!
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Old 08-12-2008, 12:28
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Forget it. LCOB you rock!!

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I respect that. I just know that if I had a question, like the original poster, and it was answered that way I would have felt stupid. Like I said before, statements such as "people like you" don't have a friendly connotation. I am a firm believer in truth and believe in constructive criticism. As someone said yesterday in a post, honestly is how people are going to get better. I don't think she should have been lied to, just didn't agree with the nippy way it was answered. I'm truly sorry that Littlecanofbeans took it as an attack against her. She wasn't even the one who wrote the comment I was originally referring to! I just feel a little sorry for people who come on here and don't know any better than to ask certain questions. Private message them for crying outloud. If I got an answer like that I sure wouldn't be coming to this forum anymore for advice! Just my thoughts. I honestly didn't mean for it to turn into this. I just believe in being respectful with criticism. I work with a part of population that are stereotyped and critisized every day so I'm a little sensitive to it. I see what the wrong kind of comments that may seem harmless and justified just because they are truthful do to some people. That's all. Good night.
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Old 08-12-2008, 01:26
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Ya know, Ladies.... damn if you do and damn if you don't.....


Everyone wants the "truth, please tell me honestly what you think"..... but still expect praise and the "oh that' sooo pretty"..... even if the bow or whatever is crappy.... That's not helping and it has been brought up to REALLY be honest and answer questions..... so damn the being-nice-not-to-hurt-feelings....

Okay, on to the truth: it's brought up that something's not so great, and there's boo-hooing, attacks, whining, accusations and such - all in defense of the crappy stuff ..... Well... if ya don't want an honest answer don't ask a question..... It's usually called "constructive criticism" and is meant to help. Sometimes it's venting....

Ease up already, lot of different folks here, lots of different strokes, and quite a few stinkers LOL - it's life!

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Old 08-12-2008, 09:09
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First let me say that I read the whole thread.

Everyone on here started somewhere. My first bows were HORRIBLE. But I thought they were so cute! I was so proud of myself. I put them on ebay and guess what happened? Nothing.

Lorraine made an excellent point. You are doing yourself a disservice by putting your products out there too soon. Many of us have done it. I did. What happens is people see your bows that are not so great.

Later on you have worked more on perfecting the craft and your products are much better.

A potential customer does a google search and your business name comes up. She remembers your name and thinks, "Hmm, I saw her stuff at a craft show. It wasn't what I was looking for." You have lost a potential customer because you were too anxious to get out into the marketplace.

Some experienced bow makers are offended by new people who do this. I can't tell you how many times I have argued with my husband because I know a person has ordered one of our products just to take it apart to try to learn how to make our bows. He says they paid for the bow, so send it. I say I know she is a bow maker; I'm refunding her money and telling her I don't sell to bow makers.

While some are offended at the "over enthusiasm" to get out there, others are trying to help you. We are telling you to take a step back and realize that you are hurting yourself and the market by putting inferior products on the market too soon.

Practice, practice, practice. You'll get it. I put a picture of one of my first bows and one of my recent bows on another thread. Huge difference. And I thought the first ones were awesome! I wish someone had given me this advice back then. Take it or leave it. It's your choice.
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:38
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Default Re: OK, I'm just not getting this!!

I didn't say I was ready to do a big show - I am tagging along with a friend who has a booth of her own and taking plenty of the bows and other things that I know I do well.

I came here for simple advice - in most everything, there are little "tricks of the trade" that seasoned people know and most are willing to share. That's all I was/am looking for. The market may be flooded but like someone else said, welcome to business!

This is a hobby to me and I don't expect to get rich quick or do I need to. I am successful in my career, in school and as a wife and mother. This is supposed to be fun - people who are being so negative need to lighten up!
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You haven't seen me being negative. I was trying to be helpful.

Now I have come to the conclusion that you are hyper sensitive. So I'm done.
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