05-19-2008, 03:08
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Re: Online businesses......
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Originally Posted by kendallshea82
Grosgrainobsessed,
I just reread your first message.....now I'm confused. You said that there were no real advantages to being an LLC, but everything I read says just the contrary. By forming an LLC, you actually avoid the double taxation that you would have as a Corporation. So, I'm confused at how that is not a tax benefit right there? I'm just wondering really what the real advantage would be as a corporation then. I'm obviously not a lawyer, so maybe I just am not getting it.
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For me there was no advantage. I didn't have the proven liability protection & separation of assests that comes along with incorporating and I was subject to more taxes. I'm talking about social security/medicare taxes for the self employed as a sole-proprietor or single member LLC. Which is a combined 15.3%. When you are an employee for a company, your employer pays for 1/2 and the other 1/2 comes out of your paycheck. But when you are self-employed as a sole proprietor or a single member LLC you are responsible for that other half of taxes. So you are paying double of what you would if you were an employee of a company, and not self-employed. Most small businesses elect S-corp status. With the S-corp you do avoid this double taxation, it is different than C-corp. Most of the information you are reading on incorporating/corporations is most likely C-corp. I am not an accountant, so I don't want articulate something the wrong way. But I do know that because my business is now an S-Corp. we are able to avoid this double self-employment tax situation.
Here is a an article an attorney in California wrote that speaks in laymens terms more of what I am trying to explain (but am obviously not doing a good job, sorry!):
Taken from here: LLC vs S Corp
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LLC vs S Corp
I practice in California, so I am going to tailor this discussion to California business law. If you live in another state, you can use this as a general educational guide, but should consult with an attorney in your area for specific advice. Business law is controlled by state law, and each state has different rules.
The question of an LLC vs S corp often seems an exercise in futility at first since the entities are often touted to be very similar. In truth, they are. Both provide protection from lawsuits and both have pass through tax status. To find the true differences, you have to look into the details. These details can make all the difference.
The first difference between the two has to do with formalities. The LLC is very informal. You need to comply with only a nominal amount of corporate formalities. Furthermore, you don’t have to have payroll. This allows you to take draws when needed, which can help when it comes to cash flow situations. None of this is true for the S corporation. If your revenues are solid, it doesn’t really matter. If they are not, it can make a big difference.
Taxes are the second area where there is a big difference. Both entities are pass through companies. This means the tax situation flows through to the owners where payment is made, which arguably avoids double taxation issues. Ah, but there is one potential big advantage to the S corp over the LLC that can save you serious cash.
An LLC cannot issue dividends, but a corporation can. You do not pay employment taxes on dividends and typically pay a lower tax rate on dividends. To save money on taxes, you can take a “reasonable salary” from an S corporation and then take the rest of the profit as a dividend thus avoiding the employment taxes. This not possible with the LLC, to wit, it is a big advantage.
Given the above, you might think jumping into an S corp is the obvious answer when picking an entity. Yes and no. The flexibility found in an LLC is a huge benefit and something that should not be undervalued. Being able to pull draws when you need to without any complications is often the difference between a small business owner making it or failing
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