Oh--never thought of that---I don't know who in the world around where I live even does that though--bummer. All I needed was 2 of them..kinda thought if they weren't too big, I seen some shower curtain rings at Walmart and cutting the ends off them and using it like that. They are exactly like the ones the girl used for her bows. Although, they are $10.00 b/c they are shower curtain rings!!! I'll have to go back and look at them. I may can buy them and hopefully if I'm good enough sell the rest on a bow and make my money back from the shower curtain rings. Thanks again!