Sorry got kicked off, and than took forever to get back on!!
Okay, I wasn't able to make a boutique bow using those ones. Too complicated for me! LOL
I use these: http://bowdesigns.50webs.com/boutique_bow.html
Works every time. Just make sure you really angle it, even more than she shows. Than the needle and thread do the rest!!
Don't know if that helps you at all........