Go figure when I go to make the ones to ask for help on they finally cooperate after a lot of twisting and what not, so still looking for help ladies
the one with the black thread (the left one I believe) I did using the method where you mark the ribbon and than fold the marks to the spots. And than the other one I did using the Lil Hiccups Tut. And that one still doesn't look quite right and it took a TON of manipulation to get it to sit that way and as soon as I moved it, it lost the look...I REALLY need to master these for my niece cause I have to have a big OTT bow ready for her in a couple weeks for her daddy's R&R outfit! lol so PLEASE help me!